this point has been made before but i think the very words the wt write which contradict the bible the quote make the point powerfully.. have a read for yourself http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm.
jesus told his disciples: "you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in jerusalem and in all judea and samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.
"acts 1:8.. hence, some 6,000,000 persons today who are telling the good news of jehovah's kingdom by christ jesus in over 230 lands feel that they properly refer to themselves as jehovah's witnesses.. .
May I respectfully suggest that even in the case of Jacob and Esau, both were born or created hence the word "born" in the expression "firstborn". Jacob ended up with the rights of inheritance of "firstborn", though Esau was strictly speaking "born first".
Jehovah was never born or created, though he is indisputably the Creator. Jesus, on the other hand, definitely WAS born, which requires Jesus to have a creator, namely Jehovah. It cannot be said that Jehovah had a creator.
i posted this a before under an other topis, but i think it's a good question for a new topic!.
one of the things i never understout as a young kid was this:.
the question i had as a kid was: if god is almighty than he would of known that adam and eve and....satan... and demons....would sin before he even created anything.. my father who was an elder back then could never give me a good answer.... my dad would say something like because it's was necessary for god to show us and the angels, we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants .
If I (or someone hijacks) operate my computer in a way that users were specifically told not to, and then it crashes, what of it? That's more the issue we're facing. All creation has its limits, even Jesus. After all, Jesus died, right? And it wasn't because he himself violated Jehovah's instructions either. It's because anyone hung on a stake as Jesus was will naturally die because of the trauma and lack of food, etc. The fact that "God took him", as he did Enoch, doesn't negate these principles of design limitations.
no, it's not the "claw hand"!
what disturbs me most of all is the potter's shards.. any coin collector will tell you that the "imperfect" coins are the most valuable.
any art historian will tell you that the value of a painting is it's originality and uniqueness and the talent that can only come with time, suffering, and perserverence.. it is the oddities and quirks in one of a kind pieces that make them a delight and a treasure.. so why is it that this potter has no appreciation for uniqueness?
JWs is ambiguous. Does it mean those following what they ought, or those who identify themselves at times as such but whose actions prove otherwise? I suggest that the examples of Christian Longo and Robert Bryant must fall into the latter category just from your description here.
this point has been made before but i think the very words the wt write which contradict the bible the quote make the point powerfully.. have a read for yourself http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm.
jesus told his disciples: "you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in jerusalem and in all judea and samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.
"acts 1:8.. hence, some 6,000,000 persons today who are telling the good news of jehovah's kingdom by christ jesus in over 230 lands feel that they properly refer to themselves as jehovah's witnesses.. .
The term "firstborn of all creation" must mean that Jesus was created, or born. But Jehovah was never created, or born.
http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc30/2009scc30.html.
supreme court of canada.
wts loses!.
The search and seizure methods sanctioned by the Government of Canada, whether against Japanese during WWII, the Aboriginals during the Residential school era, or JW children in health matters are all clear violations of UN charter human rights. Just because they garner newspaper headlines indicates the controversial nature. These tragedies continue in fulfillment of Proverbs 22:3, which reads "Shrewd is the one that has seen the calamity and proceeds to conceal himself, but the inexperienced have passed along and must suffer the penalty."
following on from a post of sacolton's on a recent thread.
i hope he doesn't mind me cutting and pasting it as i want to examine it.. was jesus our god?
consider these two scriptures:.
to OUTLAW: languages are different one from the other because of pronunciation changes, substitutions, and difference of cultural patterns. All of this bears true in English regarding "the divine name". Some transliterations use Yehowah and Yehowih, some YHWH, some JHVH, depending on various traditions and understandings. Some substitute LORD or even Lord. Some church traditions prefer Yahweh, some Jehovah, and there are others, even if we just use modern English. It should be recognised that even until recently I & J have been simply 2 different versions of the same letter, with a detailed set of rules as to when each was to be used. Even as late as 1831, A Topographical Dictionary of London and Its Environs interfiles I's with J's, showing (for instance) JANE-St. followed by IDOL-LANE followed by JEALOUS·ROW. English has changed over time in many ways, and certainly is not Hebrew. All of the Bible names change from one language to another, it is not corruption (in the sense of rotten), it is proper adaptation to the sounds and rules of the target language.
to allelse fails: the word worship has changed usage over the years, just as the word religion has. This reflects the changing societal challenges, and the proper updates to understanding. All of the changes (improvements of analysis) simply show how far Jehovah allowed things to be misunderstood over the centuries. Where there have been sincer seekers of truth, they have been rewarded with useful enlightenment, even if they are still allowed (even required) to be imperfect for the time being. Jesus is what Jehovah allows, which is to be Jehovah's image. We are made in that image, in as much as we are designed for that purpose, and to the degree that we allow the transformation within ourselves from evil tendencies to good ones.
i posted this a before under an other topis, but i think it's a good question for a new topic!.
one of the things i never understout as a young kid was this:.
the question i had as a kid was: if god is almighty than he would of known that adam and eve and....satan... and demons....would sin before he even created anything.. my father who was an elder back then could never give me a good answer.... my dad would say something like because it's was necessary for god to show us and the angels, we can only have a good live if we live it like god wants .
Almighty refers to Jehovah's power, his energy. Without it none of his creations (whether the invisible aspects of the universe or the visible) would exist. That's one point.
Free will is something that Jehovah has, as well as something we as humans have been the capacity for also.
Jehovah said that he didn't want Adam [or any other human, by extension] to eat from the one-of-a-kind forbidden fruit tree (not an apple tree, of which there are many), he said what the punishment would be.
When Eve and Adam (as they became known) ate, Jehovah followed through as a proper parent ought and did what he said he would do. Now it turned out that his defintion of a day in this case was "within 1000 years" in a physical sense, but Jehovah's spiritual relationship ended with them that day, even though Eve continued to delude herself that she still had a relationship with him. No she didn't, she had received a judgment from Jehovah which apparently could not be appealed. We can know that Jehovah's relationship ended with Eve on the very day that she disobeyed, because there are no further conversations recorded between Jehovah and Eve (or Adam). Jehovah was no longer dealing with either of them.
(our thanks goes to anonymous-4, london) come on britain, bring in your tithes!
please note the "same" two january 1956 informants shown below.
and here is a scan of the very same january "informant" for the united states!
whose point?
http://scc.lexum.umontreal.ca/en/2009/2009scc30/2009scc30.html.
supreme court of canada.
wts loses!.
The issue of Canada vs. JWs (on issues such as blood transfusion, parent-child relationship rights, and the transmission of its culture and values) appear to me quite similar to the issue of Canada vs. its Aboriginals (on issues such as residential schools, parent-child relationship rights, and the transmission of its culture and values). Just as the Canadian government has had to apologize to the Aboriginals, as a first step in recognizing Native autonomy and sovereign rights of the respective Aboriginal nations, so too must the Canadian government apologize to JWs, as a first step to recognizing the sovereign rights of Jehovah over his people whom he has called out as a nation for his name. Without full human rights accorded to each and every human in its territory, respect continues to need to be elevated.
this point has been made before but i think the very words the wt write which contradict the bible the quote make the point powerfully.. have a read for yourself http://www.watchtower.org/e/jt/index.htm.
jesus told his disciples: "you will receive power when the holy spirit arrives upon you, and you will be witnesses of me both in jerusalem and in all judea and samaria and to the most distant part of the earth.
"acts 1:8.. hence, some 6,000,000 persons today who are telling the good news of jehovah's kingdom by christ jesus in over 230 lands feel that they properly refer to themselves as jehovah's witnesses.. .
one in thought, not in identity. There are various other Bible translations that concur with the NWT one this. I have several of them on my shelves though my mind is not clear as to which ones they might be just now. It's been a while since I looked these points up. This forum moves too quick for me on points like this, but others may be able to help me on this.
